« Home | Islam Propaganda » | More SCUM invading America » | Interesting values brought to light » | Good Enough for France » | Mental and Physical Equality. » | Naive Hugh Hewitt » | Judicial Activism » | Why CAFTA should not be passed » | Armando Navarro ENEMY OF AMERICA » | What were they really doing » 

Sunday, July 31, 2005 

Full of Themselves

The press sure thinks they are somthing special. Trying harder and harder to set themselves ABOVE the law. This bogus idea of confidential and secrete sources is outlandish. When the press write a TABLIOD story and site confidential sources, how many times is the artical scathing with accusations? So if there are accusations does not the accused have the right to know who is accuseing them of whatever?

Lets look at the Plame Game and the journalist Miller who sits in jail, rightfully so.
In a statement, CPJ's 35-member board said it "strenuously protests" Miller's July 6 imprisonment, which was ordered by U.S. District Court Judge Thomas F. Hogan after the reporter refused to testify about a confidential source before a grand jury investigating the 2003 leak of a CIA operative's identity. Uncertainty remains about Miller's role in the probe, with speculation all over the map, including the possibility she may have mentioned Plame first to an administration official.

The CPJ (committee to protect journalists) even now hints at the possibility that it was Miller herself weho outed Plame as a CIA agent. This is why she sits in Jail. She sited annonomuse sorces. So why is there a jump on the bandwagon to get Carl Rove. Rove who has been determined to not be the source of the outing. It is because the press has an agenda. Holding themselves above the law in thinking that they have a right to go any where any time and say any thing.

The press has the right not to be hindered or oppresed by the government but no where does it say they are above the law with their accusations and invented rights of hiding sources. That in its self is an infridgement on my rights and the rights of every American. "The right to know ones accuser".

The press has the freedom to go and report but not to sit above the law and determine judgement on their stories. This is where the press has totally gotten out of hand. No longer are they reporting the news but they are editorilizing. This is not what freedom of the press is. If we the public want this we can always read the World Weekly News.

A couple things that I disagree with in your analysis. Try here for the story behind the controversy, at least the portion before I give my opinion. Ms. Miller wasn't the first to out Ms. Plame, Mr. Robert Novak was the first to leak her identity, and through the investigation, it was found that Movak, Matt Cooper (Time Magazine), and Ms. Miller all knew beforehand that Ms. Plame was an undercover CIA agent. The question is not whether they knew, it is a question of who told them, because only people with "secret" clearance or above could know her identity. Ms. Miller has been given a waiver by her source - Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby - but she refuses to break confidentiality, due to her journalistic integrity. The reason she refuses to divulge it is that she has said Scooter Libby's waiver must have been coerced. However, Plame could not have been outed by Miller without Miller having a source. All evidence points to her source being either Scooter Libby or Karl Rove, especially when Novak and Cooper's possible sources are taken into account.

The second thing is your statement that all Americans have the right to confront one's accuser. That is completely untrue. Confidential sources are a staple of free press, and the first Amendment guarantees free press. The sixth Amendment, which you are thinking about, actually states:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

That means, if Karl Rove and/or Scooter Libby end up being prosecuted, then the witnesses against them shall be theirs to confront, in their trial, which will probably be public, though not speedy. In other words, if someone calls you a traitor, you're not entitled to know who said it. If you get indicted based upon that someone's statement, then you can know who it is.

Keep up the writing!
~Brown

Once again thankyou for your input. Very interesting. However i dispute the fact is was Novak who outed Plame. Again it was common knowledge in Washington that she was an employee of the CIA. Due to the fact she bragged about it. Secondly there is evidance she was outed in abook several years prior to Novaks comment. [See the Drudge report.]
Then as I read the amendment it says that the accused has the right to confront the accuser. I dem this as pre trial hearings as well. Which means that the defense has the right to gather information on the accuser to prepare a defense prior to trial.
The last is the interpretation of freedom of the press. I do not see where it states that the press has protected sources. I read it as the government cannot halt the press from publishing a story or an opinion but I do not see where it is granted the right to have secrete and annonomuse sources.

Again a differance in opinion. I thank you for your input again and encourage the comments. [side note thanks for not going off on my poor spelling and typing skills =) ]

Sorry it took me so long to respond to this comment. I wanted to make sure I researched this thoroughly before I posted a comment, but nobody knew that Plame was an operative. Go here to see the misconstruction of a comment that led people to believe that her cover was blown, which it wasn't until Robert Novak blew it. Here is another site showing where the media blew it by misconstruing comments that seemed to imply Ms. Plame's compromised position came before Mr. Novak's story.

Onto the legal implications of the sixth Amendment, where we differ in opinion on interpretation. Pre-trial hearings are conducted in a land of opinion known as the press. In order to prepare a defense, the defendant may know what the witness is going to say, but there's a reason that confidentiality is protected, and that is for the safety of the witness. Also, the funniest thing about this is that Ms. Miller's "unnamed" source is Scooter Libby - Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff - and she has refused to testify on the grounds that she feels his waiver (to allow any reporter who talked to him about the Plame incident) was coerced. So, actually, by refusing to testify, she is possibly saving the Bush Administration some embarassment.

Also, we disagree on interpretation of free press. Free press means that people are supposed to believe that the press has not been tampered with in any way. The reason that anonymous sources are important is that stories that are important sometimes have no other way to get out without the anonymity of the source being protected. A famous example of an anonymous source is Deep Throat. Anonymous sources are important in order to have a free press, just like informants are important in order to catch some slippery criminals. That being said, rarely is a story based upon just one anonymous source. In the case of the Plame scandal, there were two separate anonymous sources who confirmed the story - Messrs. Rove (probably) and Libby (definitely). In the case of Watergate, Deep Throat was never cited as a source, and he only gave Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward nudges in the right direction. Never was a single anonymous source actually used to build the case/story, rather serving more of a guidance role, pointing the reporters in the direction of the story which they wished to be written. That is the role that anonymous sources need to serve in a free press, and that is the rold that they did serve. They shouldn't make the story, they should just help it along - within the realms of truthfulness. The only problem in this case is that the anonymous source(s) weren't only leaking a story, they broke federal laws with leaking national secrets. Stating that a piece of information that was classified as "Secret" was "common knowledge" in Washington says only one thing: Our government is careless when it comes to national security. So, either the Bush Administration was careless, as the words "common knowledge" imply, or it was criminal, as the leak(s) being Scooter Libby and/or Karl Rove implies.

Finally, I do see that we have a fundamental difference in opinion, but what reason would I have to make fun of your spelling and/or typing skills? I feel that we should debate and discuss the issues; your spelling is not an issue: your opinions are about what I'm talking, to what I'm talking, and to what I'm responding.

~Brown

Hi CarpiJugulum, this is my last visit on the 'net for now - I'm tired. I found this post by accident as I'm searching on robert kiyosaki network marketing but I got fed up with that and I've been roaming about just reading what takes my fancy. Good blog you have here, I enjoyed my visit. Have a great day and it's back to robert kiyosaki network marketing searches for me tomorrow.

Hello CarpiJugulum, I've just been playing Serious Sam 2 before getting down to do some research into usana network marketing; on the whole I'd rather continue playing. First place I came to was this post so I've been having a good time reading your blog. There are some ideas that I could maybe incorporate into usana network marketing to make it more useful. Thank you!

Hi CarpiJugulum, this is my last visit on the 'net for now - I'm tired. I found this post by accident as I'm searching on robert kiyosaki network marketing but I got fed up with that and I've been roaming about just reading what takes my fancy. Good blog you have here, I enjoyed my visit. Have a great day and it's back to robert kiyosaki network marketing searches for me tomorrow.

Hello CarpiJugulum, I've just been playing Serious Sam 2 before getting down to do some research into affiliate lead marketing mlm network; on the whole I'd rather continue playing. First place I came to was this post so I've been having a good time reading your blog. There are some ideas that I could maybe incorporate into affiliate lead marketing mlm network to make it more useful. Thank you!

Greetings CarpiJugulum, I'm looking for information and chat about acn network marketing and came across your site. There are some views in this post that I can take on board. I used acn network marketing as one of my search terms which is how I came to visit your site. Enjoyed the read, I'll make note to come back again.

Hi CarpiJugulum, this is my last visit on the 'net for now - I'm tired. I found this post by accident as I'm searching on marketing mlm multilevel network networking but I got fed up with that and I've been roaming about just reading what takes my fancy. Good blog you have here, I enjoyed my visit. Have a great day and it's back to marketing mlm multilevel network networking searches for me tomorrow.

Hi CarpiJugulum, oh dear, I'm getting square eyed here - must have been spending too much time reading blogs and downline mlm network marketing information. I'm supposed to be looking for downline mlm network marketing items but I find it all too easy just to click 'Next' and just see anything which is how I came to this post. Some blogs I just skip through but I spent a while here. Ciao.

Greetings CarpiJugulum, I'm looking for information and chat about affiliate lead marketing mlm network and came across your site. There are some views in this post that I can take on board. I used affiliate lead marketing mlm network as one of my search terms which is how I came to visit your site. Enjoyed the read, I'll make note to come back again.

Hi CarpiJugulum, oh dear, I'm getting square eyed here - must have been spending too much time reading blogs and robert kiyosaki network marketing information. I'm supposed to be looking for robert kiyosaki network marketing items but I find it all too easy just to click 'Next' and just see anything which is how I came to this post. Some blogs I just skip through but I spent a while here. Ciao.

Greetings CarpiJugulum, I'm looking for information and chat about marketing mlm multilevel network networking and came across your site. There are some views in this post that I can take on board. I used marketing mlm multilevel network networking as one of my search terms which is how I came to visit your site. Enjoyed the read, I'll make note to come back again.

Hey this blog is not about portland oregon home insurances. Silly internet bringing me here :-) Funny I have been doing hours of research on portland oregon home insurances and it brought me to your blog on this post. The web plays funny games sometimes. Anyways, I was reading your blog CarpiJugulum and I think it is really cool. Keep up the great work.
If you do not mind I will snag your blog and put it in my favorites. I read a ton of stuff on here that interested me. Keep blogging away :-)

All I can say is WOW CarpiJugulum. The other half and I just got back from our friends house (well her friends house) and I needed a huge break. I am working on a project right now that is based on california home insurances. I have literally been on-line for 2-3 hours doing research. Even though this post really isn’t on the same page as california home insurances I am certainly glad I came across your blog. There are a ton of great view points on this blog. Well I think I can here the kids screaming in the background. I put you in my internet favorites and I will certainly come back and visit. If you want to take a peek at my site you can find me here at california home insurances. I update my site very frequently. Again, great job blogging and I will be back again soon!

Aloha CarpiJugulum, I'm in Hawaiian mood as I'm listening to Ki ho'alu music (If you've not heard this type of guitar music then you are in for a treat!) so I'm not really concentrating very hard but I came across this post looking up gen on lead marketing mlm network prospect sale. Anything to do with lead marketing mlm network prospect sale I always look at, though I do have a tendency to wander about in blogs just reading generally.

I have been on-line searching for hours for information regarding travelers home insurances and stumbled across your blog during my journey :-) CarpiJugulum your blog is really amazing! Keep up the great work. Obviously my search on travelers home insurances was way off when compared to this post and find it funny how it landed me here. The internet is a funny thing. Anyways, great job on your blogging and keep up the good work! I been searching for travelers home insurances for over 2 hours and needed a break from it. I started reading your blog and really started getting into it.
P.S I will add you to my favorites so I can come back and visit later
P.S.S If you want to bookmark my site I am at travelers home insurances. You never know you may find some good deals!

Hi CarpiJugulum your blog is really great! Wow :-) As I was out blog surfing and surfing the web for detailed info on home title insurances I stumbled across your blog. Obviously my search landed me here and it is a little off subject compared to this post, but I am certainly glad I did come across your blog. Did I already tell you I like it! If you would not mind, I would like to add your link to my "favorites" page to come back and read again sometime. Should you ever need it, there's lots of information on this site about home title insurances. Again, great blog and keep up the great work!

Hey this blog is not about california home insurances. Silly internet bringing me here :-) Funny I have been doing hours of research on california home insurances and it brought me to your blog on this post. The web plays funny games sometimes. Anyways, I was reading your blog CarpiJugulum and I think it is really cool. Keep up the great work.
If you do not mind I will snag your blog and put it in my favorites. I read a ton of stuff on here that interested me. Keep blogging away :-)

Hey this blog is not about travelers home insurances. Silly internet bringing me here :-) Funny I have been doing hours of research on travelers home insurances and it brought me to your blog on this post. The web plays funny games sometimes. Anyways, I was reading your blog CarpiJugulum and I think it is really cool. Keep up the great work.
If you do not mind I will snag your blog and put it in my favorites. I read a ton of stuff on here that interested me. Keep blogging away :-)

Hey CarpiJugulum. Very nice blog :0) I just got inside from washing and waxing my truck. It is my baby. Took me 2 hours though. So I settled down into my basement and started doing some web surfing. Anyways I am in the process of grabbing my masters degree and have spent the last 6 months researching low cost home owners insurance. In the midst of my surfing I landed smack dab in the middle of your blog. I hope you do not think I am intruding but I must say it is great blog. Even though this post is way off base from low cost home owners insurance I found myself cruising through your blog archives for the last half hour :0) You have some nice blogging friends. Anyways, I need to get back to my mission. I wrote don’t your url and feel free to visit me here at low cost home owners insurance. I am so busy so I can only update my site monthly. Keep up the great work.

All I can say is WOW CarpiJugulum. The other half and I just got back from our friends house (well her friends house) and I needed a huge break. I am working on a project right now that is based on chicago building home insurances. I have literally been on-line for 2-3 hours doing research. Even though this post really isn’t on the same page as chicago building home insurances I am certainly glad I came across your blog. There are a ton of great view points on this blog. Well I think I can here the kids screaming in the background. I put you in my internet favorites and I will certainly come back and visit. If you want to take a peek at my site you can find me here at chicago building home insurances. I update my site very frequently. Again, great job blogging and I will be back again soon!

Hello CarpiJugulum, I've just been playing Serious Sam 2 before getting down to do some research into donald trump network marketing; on the whole I'd rather continue playing. First place I came to was this post so I've been having a good time reading your blog. There are some ideas that I could maybe incorporate into donald trump network marketing to make it more useful. Thank you!

this post was what caught my attention. I was just out browsing around today looking for information on ice fishing house, and happened accross your blog. Although it's not completely related to ice fishing house, it certainly made me stop and ponder. Thanks for the great read CarpiJugulum...I'll be back.

Greetings CarpiJugulum, I'm looking for information and chat about lead marketing mlm network prospect sale and came across your site. There are some views in this post that I can take on board. I used lead marketing mlm network prospect sale as one of my search terms which is how I came to visit your site. Enjoyed the read, I'll make note to come back again.

Well I just got back from the gym and I am beat. I am currently doing some research on home title insurances and stumbled across your blog. Which cracks me up really. The internet can certainly land you off base sometimes. Even though this post is not completely related I think it is a cool blog. I have read back through the archives and lots of people make some very good points. Well I have been on-line forever it seems. I need to continue to plug away at home title insurances. If you have the energy swing by home title insurances. I try to update my site weekly and maybe you will see something you like. I already snagged your URL and put it in my favorites. If you do not mind I will be back again. Great job!

I was just reading in USA today newspaper and could not believe what I read about search and sesures laws that completely did away with fourth amendment rights from illegal search and sesures laws and the Suprememe court just passed an open door policy to all thier own relatives and children as far as police law enforcement personell are concerned Do they not realize that by doing away with the fourth amendment of the constitution that they place not only themselves and thier own loved ones at risk but also every other elected mayor govenor or elected official at the same risks along with the different branches of law enforcement Well I guess whats good for the goose is good for the gandor and what comes around goes around. This is going to be a real interesting year for all American citizens I certainly hope your in one of the lucky states and have a castle law for your homes. God I never thought this country would come to this sort of lawlessness Well I guess the judges children will pay for thier decision against the fourth amendment.. Only time will tell but I will be watching to see if I am correct..

I was speaking with a gentelman and he said that probably the only way to stop type of action is to have all the individual states pass a law that in thier states the taxpaying citizens are garanteed thier 4th amendment rights regardless of what the supreme court rules.

Hello I want to congratulate to you. This site is fantastic, looks like entertained and very good to me it elaborated. I invite them to that they explore a little on my site of the Web
Our real estate listing includes great opportunities on Costa Rica Central Valley’s provinces such as San Jose, our Capital, with remarkable cities as Escazu at the west, or Curridabat at the east, experiencing a great development on both commercial and residential properties, making their real estate pricing highly attractive to investors; on other hand, Alajuela city gathers places with a very special warm weather such as Grecia, La Garita and Atenas, or beautiful farms for agricultural, cattle or nature preservation purposes as those located on San Carlos or Sarapiqui. We also offer land properties in Guanacaste, which is the province, along with Puntarenas, with the most beautiful tropical beaches on the Pacific Coast such as Tamarindo, Playa Grande, El Coco, Playa Hermosa, Nosara, Samara, Herradura, Jaco, Manuel Antonio, Dominical and Golfito, where the real estate business occupies the first place as the local economic activity.
Great investment opportunity at Costa Rica Pacific Coast, Preconstruction condos in costa rica
Condo sales in costa rica, Retirement property in costa rica. Visit us for more info at: http://www.costa-ricarealestate.com/

Post a Comment

Links to this post

Create a Link

About me

  • I'm Devious Mind
  • From Denver, Colorado, United States
  • Good judgemnt comes from experiance. Experiance comes from bad judgement. Karma, its a bitch.
My profile
Powered by Blogger